Marshall, thanks for your reply.

I'm not famous Jerry. He published his photo in the Keely group, so you can see the difference.
http://keelynet.com/whoisdecker.htm 

I believe John Ernst Worrell Keely was a complete and deliberate fraud.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Ernst_Worrell_Keely 

I differ from the other Jerry on some important points.

** I draw all of my primary sources from original works of science by famous widely recognized pioneers. With a policy of reading everything and listening to every opinion, I read all of the fringe area writings and got nothing useful from them on which to make a technical design or a scientific principle to govern it. The fringe writings left me with the impression that some people saw really great things they didn’t understand, and other people believe in things they’ve heard about but have never seen. Its like a religion.

** I strongly oppose the concept of over unity or over utility. That’s where energy is put into a machine at your expense, and someone tells you more energy came out than went in, but it wasn’t enough to cover all the expenses and give you a profit. My opinion on this is that a vacuum energy machine should start with out assistance, except maybe the flipping of a small switch, like a wind mill or a solar cell, and should run continually at constant power output for many days and weeks at time in situations that can be inspected, measured, and controlled by independent observers. If you have to put energy in to start it, you don’t have the best technology.

** All of my concepts can be written down, described mathematically and referenced to a scientific work that is not new, or even controversial any more, drawing components from accepted branches of science and engineering, but assembled in a slightly different way than is commonly found.

** My work on vacuum energy is not at the early stage of preliminary testing in laboratories. That was 30 years ago. 

** I’ve never requested donations or investors, or sold a book or offered a one for sale. My published books are given as gifts to friends.

** The biggest difference is that I regard vacuum energy as a loan that must be repaid promptly to avoid serious consequences, not a free source of inexhaustible power. The vacuum energy enforces all of the physical laws of nature, including the conservation of energy and momentum that keep our world in orbit. Taking energy from the vacuum alters the physical laws. Heisenberg’s uncertainty principle governs the lending of vacuum energy, and the consequences for failing to repay on time. The vacuum is extremely powerful, but very dangerous to work with.

“Who have I been talking to?”
I’ve been listening to Feynman, Dirac, Bergmann, Einstein, Schrödinger, Friedmann, Reissner, and Nordström. The scientific work began in 1905 and was completed in 1985. All of the essential parts were discovered by 1935 except for time reversal in antimatter that was added later by Richard Feynman. Engineering work began with Hans Reissner in 1916. 

Reissner, H (1916). "Über die Eigengravitation des elektrischen Feldes nach der Einsteinschen Theorie". Annalen der Physik 50: 106–120. 
http://www3.interscience.wiley.com/journal/112483921/abstract

Electromechanical calculations were done by Oskar Bayer of Vienna but his books fell into the hands of swindlers, and are now in the Austrian State Archives, along with original machine drawings and evidence of the swindle.

www.landesarchiv-ooe.at/xbcr/SID-1EBFB644.../SammlungSchapeller.pdf 

Apparently the first vacuum polarizer was made of glassware and emitted enough gamma rays to kill any of the researchers who survived war and insurrection. They described it as glowing magnetism before they died. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vacuum_polarization 

The term vacuum polarization came into use about 15 years later from scientists who were affiliated with the leaders of the 1919 insurrection. The second model vacuum polarizer had shielding of about one inch of ceramic and one inch of steel, but that’s only about half as much shielding as modern machines would have. To run one now you would need a permit and a good safety program.  

http://prola.aps.org/abstract/PR/v75/i4/p651_1 

The other feature of the first machines was later called a Bloch Wall, the interference pattern of two magnetic fields to create gravity induction, based on a long standing theory from Reissner- Nordström 1918, that was eventually confirmed in aerospace experiments by Boyd Bushman. Once again the modern technical name was derived from scientists who were affiliated with the leaders of the insurrection in Munich that killed some of the original research team.  

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Felix_Bloch 

The swindlers acquired a complete working model of the second design machine in an estate sale, but were not able to duplicate one of the components, a magnetic electret that was a new invention of the time, but is well understood now from Japanese sources of 1920. Three engineers examined the machine in operation for several years and said it was genuine.

For younger people this topic is safer to discuss in private, and in places where you don’t have to give your real name. There is a history of violence attached to it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Eugene_Mallove

The other Jerry didn’t tell you about the danger. 

NASA has an office of break through propulsion but no budget for research now. It did support 5 projects in the past and keeps a web site that is occasionally updated.

http://www.grc.nasa.gov/WWW/bpp/overview.html   

“Coupling of Fundamental Forces: 
Electromagnetism, gravity and spacetime are coupled phenomena. Given our technical proficiency at manipulating electromagnetism, this coupling hints that we might be able to use electromagnetism to affect gravity. In principle this is true. In practice, at least from the perspective of general relativity, it would take an enormous amount of electromagnetic energy to produce a perceptible gravitational effect” 

“Quantum Vacuum Energy Experiments: 
The uncertainty principle from quantum mechanics indicates that it is impossible to achieve an absolute zero energy state. This includes the energy state of empty space.”

NASA tends to understate the case for every topic and to support research only in tiny steps. I don’t recommend sending them anything that looks like break through propulsion. It will just disappear and never be seen again. Some of the break through type papers occasionally appear briefly in public. You have to be fast to get a copy. The window of opportunity now is about two hours. In the past it was a few days. If the paper is a really good one, the writer also disappears and can’t be found the next day. All of the links go dead. Maybe we should give NASA a better budget for that department in exchange for a public forum. 

I don’t recommend any of the public groups that pursue free energy and ask for money. My list of differences applies to all of them. There are quite a few groups appearing in public around the world in many languages. If you look closely they all have some connection to a retired government official in one country or another. I think of them as listening posts where you can send a well written technical paper into a black hole.

Best wishes in your engineering projects for break through propulsion The science was completed a long time ago.


Marshall Barnes: Jerry: 
Marshall Barnes: I deleted your last comment after I made a copy of it because I know far more about this subject and its dangers than you think. I am also going to be getting a lot of public attention about so of my work and I didn't want a conspiracy thread to start up on my blog. 
Marshall Barnes: At the same time I appreciate everything that you were saying and would like to have further discussions with you. I am well aware of the exciting research that was going on in the early 20s through the 30s but have not been able to avail myself of many of the writings from that time period. 
Marshall Barnes: In fact, I deliberately named my book with a German title because of the influence from the early research that was going on in Europe. 
Marshall Barnes: At any rate, please understand why I took the post down. I had one of my papers disappeared completely from the web once before - even some of the web sites that hosted it were taken down, so I know what you're talking about. So I just want that kind of talk to not be happening on my blog here, 
Marshall Barnes: where I'm trying to be a good little boy and just post my science research that is within the mainstream. Believe me. I know a lot more than you would ever imagine...
Amateur Astronomer: Thats fine. Do what you need to. Some of my writings get a bit far from center. You mentioned you have a book. Is it listed anywhere.
Amateur Astronomer: I made another post to your trime travel page. You might like to take that one doen too. Best wishes, Jerry
Amateur Astronomer: THe best writing dissappears quickly. You have to be quick to get a copy.
Marshall Barnes: are you there now? 
Amateur Astronomer: Yes,Those two comments were the only ones I made to your pages. 
Marshall Barnes: I had just gotten up to get some coffee. 
Marshall Barnes: I only took the one down 
Marshall Barnes: that sounded like it was going into X-File territory 
Marshall Barnes: LOL 
Marshall Barnes: I'm leaving the time travel post up. 
Marshall Barnes: There was nothing I was concerned about that. 
Marshall Barnes: It was only when you started talking about post and papers and people disappearing that I was like getting concerned. 
Marshall Barnes: Like I said, I know far too much aboutr that kind of thing all ready. 
Amateur Astronomer: That bothered me, becauase in 1988 to 1990 I was a candidate for the receiveing end.
Marshall Barnes: Wh at happened?
Amateur Astronomer: I was offered a bribe by foreign spys and turned them in. The first time Imet with the government agents they listened for 3 hours then walked a short distance away and agreed to double cross me. I becake the target of 200 sting operations and the resear
Marshall Barnes: Wow! 
Amateur Astronomer: A lot of the stories you hear are true. And they apply mostly to apartment dwellers.
Marshall Barnes: Well, what were the spies after? 
Amateur Astronomer: Technology from my previous employer. A research institute from San Antionio set up shop in the apartment nexxt door and alliked a lot of experimental devices to my home.
Marshall Barnes: What? 
Marshall Barnes: Too much... 
Marshall Barnes: Sounds liek something from Alias... 
Amateur Astronomer: Later I learned that they staffed the apartment with convict labor, didn't pay their bills and tried toa assisnate some of the peopel in t group. All of the exuipment was stolen.
Amateur Astronomer: So I appreciste your situation and will omit the scarry parts. Thabnks Jerry
Marshall Barnes: Wacked out. Totally a bizarre story. 
Marshall Barnes: Ok. 
Marshall Barnes: Let's talk later... 
Amateur Astronomer: That's when I started writing bboks and depositing them in the library of congress. That one actually made the News papers and TV. Later -- Jerry

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